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		<title>by: lal</title>
		<link>http://nathsociety.org/lalitas-blog/2006/03/20/even-more-basic-fundamentals/#comment-412</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jan 2007 06:54:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>thanks for this list of the Nine Naths...I have only the one list and this is very welcome..why don't you post it to the Forum..it will be lost here and few people will see it..I may post it for you.
lal</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks for this list of the Nine Naths&#8230;I have only the one list and this is very welcome..why don&#8217;t you post it to the Forum..it will be lost here and few people will see it..I may post it for you.<br />
lal
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		<title>by: nath</title>
		<link>http://nathsociety.org/lalitas-blog/2006/03/20/even-more-basic-fundamentals/#comment-401</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jan 2007 20:53:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>i will tell u about nath !
Name of navnath
1)Machinder Nath
2)Nag Nath
3)jalanderNath
4)Raived Nath
5)Gorakh Nath
6)Charpati Nath
7)Gavi Nath
8)Brathhari Nath
9)Chadham Nath
yai subhi nav nath hai in sabhi guru dathguru hai in navnath kai allva in sabhi nath nai aur bhi chailay banayai vo sabhi 84Sidh kahalayai inmai sai kuch nath agoori bhi hai jasay nagnath</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i will tell u about nath !<br />
Name of navnath<br />
1)Machinder Nath<br />
2)Nag Nath<br />
3)jalanderNath<br />
4)Raived Nath<br />
5)Gorakh Nath<br />
6)Charpati Nath<br />
7)Gavi Nath<br />
8)Brathhari Nath<br />
9)Chadham Nath<br />
yai subhi nav nath hai in sabhi guru dathguru hai in navnath kai allva in sabhi nath nai aur bhi chailay banayai vo sabhi 84Sidh kahalayai inmai sai kuch nath agoori bhi hai jasay nagnath
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		<title>by: Vyaktirajavatacharaya</title>
		<link>http://nathsociety.org/lalitas-blog/2006/03/20/even-more-basic-fundamentals/#comment-55</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Jul 2006 21:38:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Oh I am the Guru of Aditya! Lo and behold the enlightened Vaisvata Manu. Come Oh Goddess Lalita
and I shall reveal to you the secrets of the 50 faces.</description>
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and I shall reveal to you the secrets of the 50 faces.
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		<title>by: lal</title>
		<link>http://nathsociety.org/lalitas-blog/2006/03/20/even-more-basic-fundamentals/#comment-49</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Mar 2006 02:07:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Is that an invitation to Austin? You have a far out enlightenment guru?  I have been wondering who your guru is. Sure..when?

lal</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is that an invitation to Austin? You have a far out enlightenment guru?  I have been wondering who your guru is. Sure..when?</p>
<p>lal
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		<title>by: Adityanath</title>
		<link>http://nathsociety.org/lalitas-blog/2006/03/20/even-more-basic-fundamentals/#comment-48</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Mar 2006 01:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Come here and see me in person, Lalita. I'll show you the far out enlightement guru. It's not incompatible with wanting others to tell the truth. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Come here and see me in person, Lalita. I&#8217;ll show you the far out enlightement guru. It&#8217;s not incompatible with wanting others to tell the truth. <img src='http://nathsociety.org/lalitas-blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />
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		<title>by: lal</title>
		<link>http://nathsociety.org/lalitas-blog/2006/03/20/even-more-basic-fundamentals/#comment-47</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Mar 2006 04:39:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Mahahradanatha,
The doha is beautiful. Your analysis has split it open and made it gemlike and useful. It has been a long time since I read something like this and it gives me chills and horripilations. I know nothing of most of this. The part on Anahat Shabd..the bodies, both disintegrating and immortal..I am unaware of any of this. The doha nonetheless inspires  me to work more, with more urgency..relaxed urgency of course. The connections that you make to the discussion of quantum ideas is great! There it is in ancient, ancient words. Our mundane attitudes to names and positions is the klesha that holds all north  american nathdom back from finally facing what the we are really here to do..oh thank you for this clarity. The nature of the avadhoot and how to achieve that nature is the only worthy activity of any nath, but it is so hard to hold that ideal in full attention.
I bow to you strange foreign Nathji, demon eater and all, and I thank you for what you have written. I will now get out some tattoo needles and tattoo  this doha on the inside of my skull.
ALAKH NIRANJAN api ap
lal</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mahahradanatha,<br />
The doha is beautiful. Your analysis has split it open and made it gemlike and useful. It has been a long time since I read something like this and it gives me chills and horripilations. I know nothing of most of this. The part on Anahat Shabd..the bodies, both disintegrating and immortal..I am unaware of any of this. The doha nonetheless inspires  me to work more, with more urgency..relaxed urgency of course. The connections that you make to the discussion of quantum ideas is great! There it is in ancient, ancient words. Our mundane attitudes to names and positions is the klesha that holds all north  american nathdom back from finally facing what the we are really here to do..oh thank you for this clarity. The nature of the avadhoot and how to achieve that nature is the only worthy activity of any nath, but it is so hard to hold that ideal in full attention.<br />
I bow to you strange foreign Nathji, demon eater and all, and I thank you for what you have written. I will now get out some tattoo needles and tattoo  this doha on the inside of my skull.<br />
ALAKH NIRANJAN api ap<br />
lal
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		<title>by: lal</title>
		<link>http://nathsociety.org/lalitas-blog/2006/03/20/even-more-basic-fundamentals/#comment-46</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Mar 2006 04:15:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Vishvabhai, Nathji,
Thank you for your perceptive comments.
I agree that contact with Mahendranath was pivotal for me and any others that were there and able to bear his presence. I wrote somewhere else that contact with an enlightened being is crucial because unless you see it how can you become it? Unfortunately here among the north american naths we have little contact with  enlightenment, far out gurus or even the far out euros. Infighting is the name of the game, although it may be coming to an end as I perceive a self devouring going on and that is a short process, I hope. We are in groups, kind of, mostly internet groups and I hope we are generating enough effort and heat to effect some change and growth. Once that happens, enough energy is generated by our efforts, we will start to attract what and who we need.
I was kind of joking about farming out the guru work..but again under the circumstances it might be necessary for a while...we do not have enough people here  who are able to help with much.
Neo naths...I feel that one day the Indian naths are going to get computers and then they are going to be very pissed off at foreigners who use their name and not under Indian control or even reading from the same book let alone page. My only reason for using such a term is to keep us free from too much influence and lawsuits. I may be paranoid here.
I never mention the euros when I write because I simply don't know enough and I would hate to tread on sore toes by accident. I was very inspired by the work of so many of them. Mike Magee has left a tremendous legacy, and some of the most attained are in Europe. Eventually, I hope we will be in much more contact..especially when our house here is finally in working order. There are some really marvelous up and comers around here.  I am very pleased with the discussion on this website in the past week, intelligence and passion and energy have finally lit up the pages. ..and this last one from Mahahradanatha..well I am blown away. He has just taken things to a whole older level.
Stay in touch. I am going to Europe this year, maybe early summer. I want to spend some time with Ramesh. The Patels are a resource that seems to have been forgotten by me, at least. And yet they are some of the most knowlegeable people around on the secret life of Dadaji. He always had the greatest appreciation and respect for them..they are special. So if you will be heading that way, or this way, let me know.
Thanks for writing. I appreciate your opinions and your experience tremendously
love
lal</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vishvabhai, Nathji,<br />
Thank you for your perceptive comments.<br />
I agree that contact with Mahendranath was pivotal for me and any others that were there and able to bear his presence. I wrote somewhere else that contact with an enlightened being is crucial because unless you see it how can you become it? Unfortunately here among the north american naths we have little contact with  enlightenment, far out gurus or even the far out euros. Infighting is the name of the game, although it may be coming to an end as I perceive a self devouring going on and that is a short process, I hope. We are in groups, kind of, mostly internet groups and I hope we are generating enough effort and heat to effect some change and growth. Once that happens, enough energy is generated by our efforts, we will start to attract what and who we need.<br />
I was kind of joking about farming out the guru work..but again under the circumstances it might be necessary for a while&#8230;we do not have enough people here  who are able to help with much.<br />
Neo naths&#8230;I feel that one day the Indian naths are going to get computers and then they are going to be very pissed off at foreigners who use their name and not under Indian control or even reading from the same book let alone page. My only reason for using such a term is to keep us free from too much influence and lawsuits. I may be paranoid here.<br />
I never mention the euros when I write because I simply don&#8217;t know enough and I would hate to tread on sore toes by accident. I was very inspired by the work of so many of them. Mike Magee has left a tremendous legacy, and some of the most attained are in Europe. Eventually, I hope we will be in much more contact..especially when our house here is finally in working order. There are some really marvelous up and comers around here.  I am very pleased with the discussion on this website in the past week, intelligence and passion and energy have finally lit up the pages. ..and this last one from Mahahradanatha..well I am blown away. He has just taken things to a whole older level.<br />
Stay in touch. I am going to Europe this year, maybe early summer. I want to spend some time with Ramesh. The Patels are a resource that seems to have been forgotten by me, at least. And yet they are some of the most knowlegeable people around on the secret life of Dadaji. He always had the greatest appreciation and respect for them..they are special. So if you will be heading that way, or this way, let me know.<br />
Thanks for writing. I appreciate your opinions and your experience tremendously<br />
love<br />
lal
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		<title>by: Mahahradanatha</title>
		<link>http://nathsociety.org/lalitas-blog/2006/03/20/even-more-basic-fundamentals/#comment-45</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Mar 2006 02:02:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://nathsociety.org/lalitas-blog/2006/03/20/even-more-basic-fundamentals/#comment-45</guid>
					<description>I like to comment on this doha and why i choose it as a response to your text,

Oh unattached being (avadhooth yogin) I am a yogi from many aeons (yugan)
Commentary:
This doha is playing with the words yogi and yuga, the  avadhootha yogi being the one is free of the cycle of time and change and the yuga (aeon) is the term denoting great cycles. A yogi that exists in a state beyond time and independent of the changes of the yugas is without  need for legitimization or identification. On the contrary any identification or legitimization would be an obstacle to achive the state of an avadhoota. When considering and discussion the Nath Sampradaya it should be kept in mind that ultimately reaching the state of an avadhootha is the goal of any nath individual. Though he cannnot reach this goal alone and without a Guru and must receive inspiration, knowledge and iniitiation from past masters it is his own effort that is decisive for the final outcome.

I don’t come or go nor do I get erased.
Commentary:
In this state there is no sampradaya the avadhootha is not subject to the three times past present future (watch out for links with the Quantum mechanics discussion)

I relish and enjoy the un-struck Anahat Shabd
Commentary:
Now the attention moves to the "door to liberation"  the Anahat Shabd or Nada the unstruck sound not produced by any instrument or voice thats why it is called unstruck.  The existence beyond decay and reincarnation, is achived by realising the sound body, also called mantra body that unlike the physical or astral bodies, is immortal. Achieving the immortal body is a high aim of  the Nath Sampradaya. 

In every direction I see only a collection and carnival of me.
Commentary:
This is non localised consciousness  used to generate  immortality in a distinct foetal focus  , the center of the 10 directions of space, this is the alpha ovule it is the focus both localited and non localized appearing in the zonule on the Asana. Achievement of  the union of what you are and the outside world is either by collapsing  the universe infinitly small or extending it  infinitly wide. This is Attachment/Aversion transmuting to infinite Absorption/Projection. (watch for links with the Quantum mechanics discussion)  One could have the impression that Kabir stops with enlightment (non localized consciousness) and the rest is my addition but he is not, this can be seen in the last verses.

I am in everybody and everybody is in me. I am utterly alone
Commentary:
The result of Absorption/Projection. The weapons symbolising the rule over these processes are held in the Hands of some Hindu deities these are the noose and the elephant goad (skt.pasha / ankusha) 

I am the Siddha, I am the Samadhi
Commentary:
The difference between the state (samadhi) and its experiencer(Siddha) vanishes.

I am the one who remains silent, I am the one who speaks
Commentary:
Both the latent universe as well as the emanated (in the form of deities and mantras) is present in the Siddha and the subject/object union (Samadhi). There are magic implications, but usually Siddhas iinvolved in that process are ocuppied with matters more urgent than practicing magic, (watch for links with the Quantum mechanics and multiverses discussion)
The form (rupa) is my own form (svarupa) manifesting the formless (arupa)
Commentary:
Rupa is the form that can be touched and seen, swarupa the essential true form, arupa the formless. These are the three different refinend grades of the immortal body from form to formlessness. Kabir says that these are not independent and in in an independt stae subject to desintegration by time, but that the Avadhootha yogi is able to unify them into a body of even higher order,  this unifaction gives the yogi the ability to appear in any form he wishes and immortalise even the form body.

I am the one who plays with himself 
Commentary:
He is not subject to the lila  (Play) of Maya anymore, since he has become one with Shakti. (rupa= shakti, swaropa= shiva, arupa= shiva shakti samarasya or sunya)

Kabir says, listen oh Sadhu, there is no conscious will (iccha) anymore
Commentary:
This is the grace  (anugraha) of Shiva after having given up yourself by an act of offering or submission (iswarapranidham) the ego (ahamkara) individual will ceases also by itself. iccha shakti= the universal creative desire/urge giving rise to maya is transmuted into sahaja sveccha shakti, effortless self will (without urge or desire)

I am floating in myself in my own little hut playing effortlessly by my own will (sahaj swa-ichha)
Commentary:
The state of union with the complete independence and creativity of Shiva Shakti Samarasa arises spontaneously after giving up ego effort, it is achived while staying in the individual human body (little hut), not by merging into a greater unity after death. This is the aim of the siddhas and nathas. Normal people die and desintegrate, physical body returning to elements, astral bodies to energy
self/mental bodies merging into universality.  The parts are mixed cleanend recycled  and by natural attraction/aversion the parts randomly reasssemble to form a new composite.  The common belief that reincarnation means that  a constant entity can  experience heaven or hell and rebirth and after several rounds achieve liberation is a trap. The message of the Nath Panth is different: It is liberation while alive : That is now you have  to become immortal, otherwise you die. Remember what  our great grandfather G.I Gurdijeff said: "Men is asleep in a house on fire"
Sorry for my intrusion...
Commentary:
Afterraeding the doha one immediately  realises what the state of an avadhotha is and  the amount of effort  that is needed to achive the aims of such a Siddha thats why one  immediately stops discussing who is a legit nath and who is not, with the effect that the  wave of the blessing of whatever  line of Gurus one is devoted to, is not interrupted.
Mahahradanatha</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like to comment on this doha and why i choose it as a response to your text,</p>
<p>Oh unattached being (avadhooth yogin) I am a yogi from many aeons (yugan)<br />
Commentary:<br />
This doha is playing with the words yogi and yuga, the  avadhootha yogi being the one is free of the cycle of time and change and the yuga (aeon) is the term denoting great cycles. A yogi that exists in a state beyond time and independent of the changes of the yugas is without  need for legitimization or identification. On the contrary any identification or legitimization would be an obstacle to achive the state of an avadhoota. When considering and discussion the Nath Sampradaya it should be kept in mind that ultimately reaching the state of an avadhootha is the goal of any nath individual. Though he cannnot reach this goal alone and without a Guru and must receive inspiration, knowledge and iniitiation from past masters it is his own effort that is decisive for the final outcome.</p>
<p>I don’t come or go nor do I get erased.<br />
Commentary:<br />
In this state there is no sampradaya the avadhootha is not subject to the three times past present future (watch out for links with the Quantum mechanics discussion)</p>
<p>I relish and enjoy the un-struck Anahat Shabd<br />
Commentary:<br />
Now the attention moves to the &#8220;door to liberation&#8221;  the Anahat Shabd or Nada the unstruck sound not produced by any instrument or voice thats why it is called unstruck.  The existence beyond decay and reincarnation, is achived by realising the sound body, also called mantra body that unlike the physical or astral bodies, is immortal. Achieving the immortal body is a high aim of  the Nath Sampradaya. </p>
<p>In every direction I see only a collection and carnival of me.<br />
Commentary:<br />
This is non localised consciousness  used to generate  immortality in a distinct foetal focus  , the center of the 10 directions of space, this is the alpha ovule it is the focus both localited and non localized appearing in the zonule on the Asana. Achievement of  the union of what you are and the outside world is either by collapsing  the universe infinitly small or extending it  infinitly wide. This is Attachment/Aversion transmuting to infinite Absorption/Projection. (watch for links with the Quantum mechanics discussion)  One could have the impression that Kabir stops with enlightment (non localized consciousness) and the rest is my addition but he is not, this can be seen in the last verses.</p>
<p>I am in everybody and everybody is in me. I am utterly alone<br />
Commentary:<br />
The result of Absorption/Projection. The weapons symbolising the rule over these processes are held in the Hands of some Hindu deities these are the noose and the elephant goad (skt.pasha / ankusha) </p>
<p>I am the Siddha, I am the Samadhi<br />
Commentary:<br />
The difference between the state (samadhi) and its experiencer(Siddha) vanishes.</p>
<p>I am the one who remains silent, I am the one who speaks<br />
Commentary:<br />
Both the latent universe as well as the emanated (in the form of deities and mantras) is present in the Siddha and the subject/object union (Samadhi). There are magic implications, but usually Siddhas iinvolved in that process are ocuppied with matters more urgent than practicing magic, (watch for links with the Quantum mechanics and multiverses discussion)<br />
The form (rupa) is my own form (svarupa) manifesting the formless (arupa)<br />
Commentary:<br />
Rupa is the form that can be touched and seen, swarupa the essential true form, arupa the formless. These are the three different refinend grades of the immortal body from form to formlessness. Kabir says that these are not independent and in in an independt stae subject to desintegration by time, but that the Avadhootha yogi is able to unify them into a body of even higher order,  this unifaction gives the yogi the ability to appear in any form he wishes and immortalise even the form body.</p>
<p>I am the one who plays with himself<br />
Commentary:<br />
He is not subject to the lila  (Play) of Maya anymore, since he has become one with Shakti. (rupa= shakti, swaropa= shiva, arupa= shiva shakti samarasya or sunya)</p>
<p>Kabir says, listen oh Sadhu, there is no conscious will (iccha) anymore<br />
Commentary:<br />
This is the grace  (anugraha) of Shiva after having given up yourself by an act of offering or submission (iswarapranidham) the ego (ahamkara) individual will ceases also by itself. iccha shakti= the universal creative desire/urge giving rise to maya is transmuted into sahaja sveccha shakti, effortless self will (without urge or desire)</p>
<p>I am floating in myself in my own little hut playing effortlessly by my own will (sahaj swa-ichha)<br />
Commentary:<br />
The state of union with the complete independence and creativity of Shiva Shakti Samarasa arises spontaneously after giving up ego effort, it is achived while staying in the individual human body (little hut), not by merging into a greater unity after death. This is the aim of the siddhas and nathas. Normal people die and desintegrate, physical body returning to elements, astral bodies to energy<br />
self/mental bodies merging into universality.  The parts are mixed cleanend recycled  and by natural attraction/aversion the parts randomly reasssemble to form a new composite.  The common belief that reincarnation means that  a constant entity can  experience heaven or hell and rebirth and after several rounds achieve liberation is a trap. The message of the Nath Panth is different: It is liberation while alive : That is now you have  to become immortal, otherwise you die. Remember what  our great grandfather G.I Gurdijeff said: &#8220;Men is asleep in a house on fire&#8221;<br />
Sorry for my intrusion&#8230;<br />
Commentary:<br />
Afterraeding the doha one immediately  realises what the state of an avadhotha is and  the amount of effort  that is needed to achive the aims of such a Siddha thats why one  immediately stops discussing who is a legit nath and who is not, with the effect that the  wave of the blessing of whatever  line of Gurus one is devoted to, is not interrupted.<br />
Mahahradanatha
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		<title>by: lal</title>
		<link>http://nathsociety.org/lalitas-blog/2006/03/20/even-more-basic-fundamentals/#comment-44</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Mar 2006 14:39:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Hi Daimonos,
I think we may be talking about a yin yang (with dots in place) kind of situation with these two different approaches to magic. Your picture of karmic blowback was amusing ( ref.a note on nath googlegroups) I am not made for the towering moving of mountains or even feeding a family. Crowley's end may be an example of the blowback I mentioned. Of course once you have succeeded as wildly as he did at so much, what does a sad ending matter to him. He certainly is the perfect voice for the aggressive path in magick. 
I am working in the dark, by sense of feel and smell when I describe my views about magic.  I have observed it many times. I was at an outdoor ceremony with Kalu Rimpoche. I noticed a triple rainbow in a circle around the sun. " Oh that always happens when Kalu is working" ..not that he did anything, it was associated with him. I complained to Dadaji about my prolonged bouts with depression that had plagued me my whole life. "You get depressed? Thats odd." And that was the end of that. I never experienced pathological depression again. He was surprised when I thanked him a few years later. "Oh, you got better. Good for you" He took and felt no credit. I associated  the cure with him. When I try to shoe-horn quantum phrases into magic it is because all that uncertainty, fuzziness, this and that, this or that, it all suits my view of what is going on so very well. So your approach and mine are related  but different  and probably quite complementary..but please watch out for that blowback I mentioned.
love
lal</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Daimonos,<br />
I think we may be talking about a yin yang (with dots in place) kind of situation with these two different approaches to magic. Your picture of karmic blowback was amusing ( ref.a note on nath googlegroups) I am not made for the towering moving of mountains or even feeding a family. Crowley&#8217;s end may be an example of the blowback I mentioned. Of course once you have succeeded as wildly as he did at so much, what does a sad ending matter to him. He certainly is the perfect voice for the aggressive path in magick.<br />
I am working in the dark, by sense of feel and smell when I describe my views about magic.  I have observed it many times. I was at an outdoor ceremony with Kalu Rimpoche. I noticed a triple rainbow in a circle around the sun. &#8221; Oh that always happens when Kalu is working&#8221; ..not that he did anything, it was associated with him. I complained to Dadaji about my prolonged bouts with depression that had plagued me my whole life. &#8220;You get depressed? Thats odd.&#8221; And that was the end of that. I never experienced pathological depression again. He was surprised when I thanked him a few years later. &#8220;Oh, you got better. Good for you&#8221; He took and felt no credit. I associated  the cure with him. When I try to shoe-horn quantum phrases into magic it is because all that uncertainty, fuzziness, this and that, this or that, it all suits my view of what is going on so very well. So your approach and mine are related  but different  and probably quite complementary..but please watch out for that blowback I mentioned.<br />
love<br />
lal
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		<title>by: Daimonos</title>
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					<description>I did have to smile at the otters running for cover. You write, 

"I have never gone with the WILL stuff. I find magic to be more about harmonizing, aligning, intuition, placement, and very purified intent occasionally. Everything else will bring on the problems associated with using the will to affect the world. Karmic blowback if you will permit that shorthand term."

I'm reminded in your stories of the day you spent following the old guy who just floated from one encounter to the next, light as dandelion fluff, carried on the wind. That said I'm shaking my head, grimacing at "the problems associated with using the will to affect the world." Heh. Well, we're on different paths. On mine, "Thou hast no right but to do thy will. Do that and no other shall say nay." It's a key tenet of my belief and praxis: discover, know and do thy will. Now if it's to tread lightly on the world, fine. If it's to build towering monuments, move mountains or peoples, or just earn a living and feed the family, then well and good as well. 

You've termed magic as intuition and alignment; I as self-expression, purpose, intent. Different definitions, of course. To the extent yours is 'newer'... well, is that 'newer = better' or 'newer = immature?' lol I'm only teasing. 

-- Daimonos</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did have to smile at the otters running for cover. You write, </p>
<p>&#8220;I have never gone with the WILL stuff. I find magic to be more about harmonizing, aligning, intuition, placement, and very purified intent occasionally. Everything else will bring on the problems associated with using the will to affect the world. Karmic blowback if you will permit that shorthand term.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m reminded in your stories of the day you spent following the old guy who just floated from one encounter to the next, light as dandelion fluff, carried on the wind. That said I&#8217;m shaking my head, grimacing at &#8220;the problems associated with using the will to affect the world.&#8221; Heh. Well, we&#8217;re on different paths. On mine, &#8220;Thou hast no right but to do thy will. Do that and no other shall say nay.&#8221; It&#8217;s a key tenet of my belief and praxis: discover, know and do thy will. Now if it&#8217;s to tread lightly on the world, fine. If it&#8217;s to build towering monuments, move mountains or peoples, or just earn a living and feed the family, then well and good as well. </p>
<p>You&#8217;ve termed magic as intuition and alignment; I as self-expression, purpose, intent. Different definitions, of course. To the extent yours is &#8216;newer&#8217;&#8230; well, is that &#8216;newer = better&#8217; or &#8216;newer = immature?&#8217; lol I&#8217;m only teasing. </p>
<p>&#8211; Daimonos
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